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Possible missing link in evolution Old Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:56:07 PM #24564 Perm Link
Girl, 3.3 million years old, offers clues
Skeleton suggests `Lucy's baby' was ape-like hybrid

By Rob Stein, Washington Post | September 21, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Fossil hunters have unearthed the fossil skeleton of a toddler who died 3.3 million years ago, marking the first time scientists have discovered the nearly complete remains of a child of an ancient human ancestor.

The child, a girl who was about 3 years old when she perished in what may have been a flash flood, provides an unprecedented window into human evolution, in part because she belongs to the same species as ``Lucy," one of the most famous hominid specimens in paleontology, specialists said.

That prompted some scientists to refer to the new skeleton as ``Lucy's baby," even though they estimate she lived some 150,000 years earlier. The researchers who discovered her in an Ethiopian desert named her Selam, which means peace in Ethiopian.

Although scientists have found individual bones and bone fragments of children from this and other species of human predecessors as well as a few skeletons, the discovery represents one of the most complete individuals ever recovered and by far the oldest. Bones of infants are so small and soft that few survive.

``I'm very excited," said Zeresenay Alemseged of the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, Germany, who led the international team, which reported the find in today's issue of the journal Nature. ``This is a unique discovery in the history of paleoanthropology."

Independent specialists agreed, saying the skeleton's discovery would probably lead to important insights into human evolutionary history.

``This is a really important fossil," said Tim White of the University of California at Berkeley. ``It's very unusual to find something this young, this complete."

Although scientists are still painstakingly extracting the fossilized bones from stone, they have already begun making striking discoveries, including a tiny throat structure that suggests that if the 1 1/2-foot- tall toddler cried out for its mother, her wails probably sounded more like a chimp than a human baby.

``If you imagine how this child would have sounded if it was crying out for its mother, its cry would appeal more to chimp ears than to human ears," said Fred Spoor of University College in London, who is helping the study of the remains.

The remains also confirm how much of a hybrid these creatures were between humans and apes. They had legs like humans that enabled them to walk upright , but they had shoulders like gorillas that may have also enabled them to climb trees; their teeth seem to have grown quickly, like chimps' teeth, but their brains may have matured more slowly, like humans.

``This confirms the idea that human evolution was not some straight line going from ape to human," said Rick Potts of the Smithsonian Institution. ``The more we discover, the more we realize that different parts evolve at different times, and some of these experiments of early evolution had a combination of human-like and ape-like features."
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Re: Possible missing link in evolution Old Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:02:52 AM #24565 Perm Link
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I read the report and it is interesting.

I wonder what the creationism or intelligent design people will say...

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Re[2]: Possible missing link in evolution Old Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:57:03 AM #24569 Perm Link
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Said By Aron Schatz

I read the report and it is interesting.

I wonder what the creationism or intelligent design people will say...


One BIG problem is they called it "lucy's baby" I mean, that really fucks them over since creationists will never read the articles they'll just hear that and interpret it literally. I personally thought "awww, poor lil' two year old baby....".
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(No Title) Old Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:49:11 PM #24575 Perm Link
o.o wow, i had a feeling they'd find a missing link, but i never thought they'd find it during my lifetime
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(No Title) Old Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:27:05 AM #24588 Perm Link
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o.o wow, i had a feeling they'd find a missing link, but i never thought they'd find it during my lifetime


Ya know, to me it's just not that amazing. Maybe it's just how I am but as far as Paleontology goes it's all just a matter of time. This discover will STILL do nothing to convince doubters of evolution, as Pheobe said "Did you SEE that animal give birth to an offspring with a random genetic mutation which was a beneficial trait and then reproduce with other individuals with that trait until it ended up being a different species? No? Then I can ignore your explanation of diversity of species and use my own mystical one!".

OK, well not an exact quote but I like Seinfeld better anyways.
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(No Title) Old Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:19:05 AM #24591 Perm Link
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Exactly. Finding this thing just proves that there was another animal that roamed the earth long ago.

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(No Title) Old Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:59:59 PM #24619 Perm Link
The Washington Post is ultra-liberal borderline tabloid journalism.

It looked more like an ape baby? Maybe it WAS an ape baby. lol.

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